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Tonight, some 10 years after the Blur vs. Oasis battle, BBC Four held a Britpop night, running several programmes on the whole thing.

First up was a half-hour documentary by John Harris about the history of the phenomenon. It reprised much of the territory in his excellent book The Last Party, only squeezed into half an hour and with fragments of music and video, and interviews with various people from the time reminiscing over what it was like. This was followed by a programme with Damon Albarn presenting a selection of live videos; it's reassuring that he has ditched the mockney accent and look-at-me-I'm-working-class affectation, though perhaps a tad disappointing that the title designers did the lazy thing and equated britpop with Mod. Then they played Live Forever, the Britpop doco from some years back, and then a 1995 BBC fly-on-the-wall piece with Pulp, which was rather interesting. It involved backstage footage from a gig in Sheffield, Jarvis talking about appreciating kitsch knowingly yet unironically, and some footage of Pulp's support band, an outfit named Minty who seemed to be England's answer to Machine Gun Fellatio or something.

Poll #553362 Do you remember...

Which of the following were decent, in your opinion?

Suede
0(0.0%)
Blur
1(4.5%)
Oasis
0(0.0%)
Pulp
1(4.5%)
Elastica
1(4.5%)
Sleeper
0(0.0%)
Menswe@r
0(0.0%)
Northern Uproar
0(0.0%)
The Boo Radleys
0(0.0%)
Kula Shaker
0(0.0%)
Echobelly
0(0.0%)
Other
0(0.0%)

If you selected "other", enter one or more unlisted Britpop acts here

Blur vs. Oasis

Blur
14(82.4%)
Oasis
3(17.6%)
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On August 17th, 2005 09:43 am (UTC), catsgomiaow commented:
THE BLUETONES!
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On August 17th, 2005 11:43 am (UTC), datakid23 replied:
I agree - drugstore were great
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On August 17th, 2005 11:46 am (UTC), kineticfactory replied:
IMHO, Ride weren't Britpop, though, but shoegazer.
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On August 18th, 2005 02:17 am (UTC), datakid23 replied:
while I agree with you generally, since this is brit pop we are talking about specifically, and indie music generally, I reserve the right to be particular and/or anal (depending on yer viewpoint). As you can see below, this is not uncommon when talking about these issues ;) SO, while I agree with you, Carnival of Light by Ride was probably one of the first "Britpop" albums (realeased 94). Some of the songs had shoegazer lengths, but the melodies and harmonies are much much more reminicent of britpop than of ride's earlier release. There didn't seem to be any fuzz at all (ok, so I haven't listened to it in a while, but I've had this discussion before). Further, if we are letting drop city through (looking here at magic transistor radio), then I presume it's ok to specify one ride album? here to pick yr nit!
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On August 18th, 2005 03:46 pm (UTC), kineticfactory replied:
I don't know about Drop City. Though didn't the local EMI subsidiary have a policy of putting out Britpop-styled Australian schmindie bands in the late 1990s? (Weren't Gelbison one of them?)
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On August 17th, 2005 09:47 am (UTC), gths commented:
Didn't pick an option with Blur vs Oasis, because all right thinking people know that the correct answer that is "Pulp".
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On August 17th, 2005 10:04 am (UTC), kineticfactory replied:
Yes, but then 80% of respondents would vote for Pulp.

I didn't pick an option either. I dislike Oasis' lumpen rockism (though, compared to, say, Jet or Razorlight or the up-and-coming NME Carling darlings, they are the height of sophistication), though Blur's pseudo-intellectual poseurishness (and Albarn's pseudo-proletarian mockney wankery) are rather unsatisfying as alternatives.
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On August 17th, 2005 12:42 pm (UTC), lokicarbis replied:
No, the correct answer is "don't care". You only mention Pulp if they push you on it.
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On August 17th, 2005 12:03 pm (UTC), frogworth commented:
I forgot about Supergrass. And Ash.
Blur were great for the first album or so, and had some great stuff later too. Oasis pretty much always sucked. Pulp weren't Britpop - they'd been around for ages before and are still around and way cool.

And Suede were brilliant for two albums.
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On August 17th, 2005 12:07 pm (UTC), kineticfactory replied:
Though Common People became one of the defining anthems of Britpop, and Pulp's highest profile was at the height of Britpop, so I'd argue that they would fit in the category.
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On August 17th, 2005 12:26 pm (UTC), hazyjayne commented:
Blur vs. Oasis
Could I have "At the time: Oasis", and "In rectrospect: Blur"

Have you seen/hear the new FF single, BTW?
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On August 17th, 2005 12:44 pm (UTC), kineticfactory replied:
Re: Blur vs. Oasis
Franz Ferdinand? No, I haven't, actually.
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On August 23rd, 2005 09:51 am (UTC), svenskasfinx commented:
In my world, Oasis doesn't really exist. Blur does however. (isn't that awful me deleting "pop history" like that?
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On August 23rd, 2005 08:46 pm (UTC), kineticfactory replied:
Fair enough. As for The Buzzcocks, you're about a decade and a half out.
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On August 23rd, 2005 09:04 pm (UTC), svenskasfinx replied:
How can it be?
.. the point of Buzzcocks is that they still DO exist.. its that no one was paying that much attention lately..

I intentionally IGNORED Oasis.. they were just too... "We are big arse pop stars... " I saw Buzzcocks come back, and then I saw them play a show about 6 years later in Chicago..July of 1996.. and my class mate had the never to bring up Oasis..

I still feel Buzzcocks are relevant.

Dorian



P.S. I loved that magazine cover you did on Momus's thread.. totally brilliant... thanks for sharing.
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On August 23rd, 2005 09:35 pm (UTC), kineticfactory replied:
Re: How can it be?
I have no doubt that they exist and are relevant. However, they were not part of the Britpop phenomenon any more than, say, New Order or the Gang Of Four were.

Britpop is a specific phenomenon of the 1990s, starting with Suede and Blur, going massively commercial, ending with Oasis' cocaine excesses and ultimately bringing us Coldplay, Robbie Williams and fashion-conscious NME-Carling-Xfm bands-of-the-month like the Kaiser Chiefs; meanwhile, sucking much of the oxygen out of UK indie as a potent cultural force.
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