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Right; I've finally gotten around to editing the Indie Rock article…

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Right; I've finally gotten around to editing the Indie Rock article on Wikipedia, and replacing the NME-MTV2-art-rock-by-numbers fandom with what is hopefully a balanced critique of just how "indie" the recent movement of severe-suited Gang-of-Four imitators is, and adding in a paragraph about how, technically, Britney Spears and NSync were some of the biggest "indie" artists of the late 1990s. I've kept most of the original text, though moved it around a bit, so hopefully it won't spark a revert war with any obsessive Kaiser Chiefs fans or anything.
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On May 11th, 2005 06:57 pm (UTC), trayce commented:
I trust (hope!) the first section wasn't yours! ;) I mean: In the 1980s, these bands were referred to as "alternative", since they were an alternative to mainstream rock at that time. However, indie rock was effectively launched when Nirvana broke into the mainstream along with several other bands, taking the "alternative" label with them, ironically enough. is bizarre. NME were calling stuff indie/independant charts since the mid 80s! Thats where I understood the phrase to come from. US alternative was usually just that - alternative, college rock or hardcore (or etc).

I was also amused by Some related genres include emo, lo-fi, retroist, garage punk, alternative rock, twee pop (Sub Pop) and Britpop.

Umm... SubPop is a RECORD label, not a genre. Then again, americans called shoegazer "dreampop" too *sigh grumble gah*.

If your bits the second one, I rather like that, nice.
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On May 11th, 2005 07:12 pm (UTC), kineticfactory replied:
My bit's mostly from "Whether this movement embodies the indie ethos is debatable" to the next heading, with some work on the previous paragraph.

Btw, please feel free to make a Wikipedia account and get involved if you have the slightest inclination. :-)
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On May 11th, 2005 08:42 pm (UTC), kineticfactory replied:
I really don't have the time to fight with the vocally ignorant. I'd be happy with a Wikipedia article that says something informative and comprehensive. Unfortunately, the article topic is already taken by something inaccurate and/or inane, and article authors can get possessive and revert anybody bulldozing their work aside entirely, so I have to get from here to there by way of making changes to what's there already. It's a puzzle of sorts.
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On May 11th, 2005 09:51 pm (UTC), gths commented:
Revert War! Revert War! (I though the Kaiser Chiefs album was alright though it flags a bit)
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On May 16th, 2005 01:53 am (UTC), cnwb commented:
little bands
Hey, I know you like the 'little band' scene of late '70s Melbourne. Apparently a member of Primitive Calculators has shipped a bunch of neglected old 7"s to Aquarius Records in San Francisco. There's a compilation 7" of little bands; a genuine artefact from the day.

http://www.aquariusrecords.org/cat/newest.html

Just thought you'd be interested.
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On May 18th, 2005 05:43 am (UTC), kineticfactory replied:
Re: little bands
Ta. Unfortunately, I don't have a turntable in the UK (or anywhere to put one in my present room, for that matter).
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