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After last night's partial fixing of the Wikipedia "indie rock" article, I found myself inspired to actually write a proper article on what the term "indie" means in music (to supplant the usual "this is what I like, I'm indie so this is indie" that is all too common there). So here is my first draft: Indie (music).

Now I should actually get some work done; that's what they pay me for, after all..

The start of the "indie rock" article still needs debogotification, though, as trayce pointed out.

Current Music:
Mogwai - New Paths To Helicon Part 1
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On May 12th, 2005 08:39 am (UTC), names_for_rain commented:
Hi, I stumbled on over to your Lj via hazyjane. I really like your article on indie. I don't suppose you would be up for letting me put it into my magazine, "Splinter"? We're a new independent music mag and issue one is just about to come out - you can read a bit more about us on www.splintermag.com (bear in mind, the website is a work in progress so it looks a bit cacky at the min!).
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On May 12th, 2005 10:16 am (UTC), kineticfactory replied:
By all means, feel free.

The Field Mice article looks interesting, btw. (I should get around to expanding the Wikipedia article on them at some stage.)
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On May 12th, 2005 12:08 pm (UTC), names_for_rain replied:
Okay, cool. Am I okay to use the version that you linked, or are you doing mor drafts of that?
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On May 12th, 2005 12:18 pm (UTC), kineticfactory replied:
I've made a few changes (correcting errors, mostly), may make more. It's a Wikipedia article, so it will evolve (and, of course, it'll eventually have other authors). Though you can probably use the one that's up now.
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On May 12th, 2005 09:56 am (UTC), gths commented:
Oh Grud I just looked at the article for Kaiser Chiefs and my brain just about popped.

"However, after being dropped by their label, the band made a conscious decision to re-invent themselves with a poppier sound, which paid off handsomely."

"Dutch radio show Timur Open Radio on Yorin FM loves the band."?

The fuck? I haven't really felt like signing up to Wikipedia, because most of the articles on the musicians I'm pretty familiar with have seemed quite spot on, so I haven't felt the urge to "edit", but Jesus, the box-of-frogs writing here drives me nuts.
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On May 12th, 2005 09:58 am (UTC), gths replied:
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that your article is quite spot-on too...
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On May 12th, 2005 10:40 am (UTC), kineticfactory replied:
Ta. It probably needs more, like a timeline. And as David points out, it needs the weighty moral authority of references behind it to prevent ignorant people from replacing it with what they personally feel "indie" means.
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On May 12th, 2005 10:38 am (UTC), kineticfactory replied:
"And so Graham gets his cricket bat and steps into the fray."
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On May 12th, 2005 10:03 am (UTC), reddragdiva commented:
You really really need references in the article. I know this is difficult, but it's the best way to fight off fuckwits on Wikipedia.
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On May 12th, 2005 10:20 am (UTC), kineticfactory replied:
Note to self: ship your copies of The Last Party, Time Travel and The Virgin Encyclopedia of Indie and New-Wave over.

What would you recommend for references on indie internationalism and the DIY aesthetic, btw? Is there anything documented that says that indie is anything other than punk rock/jangle-pop/another word for alternative music/this month's Carling darlings/anything not on EMI, Warner, Sony BMG or Universal?
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On May 12th, 2005 10:42 am (UTC), reddragdiva replied:
Find someone with a goddamn huge fanzine pile and see what you can abstract? The Trouser Press online music guide? Stuff like that.

I gave away almost all of my fanzine collection a while ago ... the WA state library was very happy.
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On May 12th, 2005 06:55 pm (UTC), substitute commented:
indie only!
In the U.S. I noticed "indie" in college radio circa 1985, where some stations refused to play any music on a major label. Only true independent label music was allowed. At the center of this movement was Gerard Cosloy, whose Homestead Records was hardcore independent.

The music itself didn't have a particular style at the time. Later on "indie" became a shorthand for what white middle class college students were listening to, because they were mostly the people who went for the indie idea.
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On May 12th, 2005 07:06 pm (UTC), kineticfactory replied:
Re: indie only!
Ah yes; Cosloy went on to found Matador, which is now part of one of the best known big-indies, the Beggars Group (also home to 4AD, XL and Too Pure).
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On May 12th, 2005 07:11 pm (UTC), substitute replied:
Re: indie only!
Yeah, and now he's doing some project at 12xu.net and writing a sports blog (?!?)

I remember him yelling at me on the phone when I was trying to get albums from him to give away on the air: "WE DON'T SELL DRUGS TO KIDS OR WHATEVER, WE'RE JUST A RECORD LABEL, WE HAVE NOTHING EXTRA".
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On May 13th, 2005 03:34 am (UTC), earthenware replied:
Re: indie only!
The video documentry on K records traces the early history of the green line policy "shield around the K" is a good reference...all the people at KAOS radio at Evergreen College in Olympia with thier "green line policy" , OP zine, LMN (lost music network) and later on Calvin's label forming to carry on the work they'd all started.
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On May 13th, 2005 09:48 am (UTC), kineticfactory replied:
Re: indie only!
Do you have more information about the documentary? (a title would be good.)
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On May 16th, 2005 07:02 am (UTC), earthenware replied:
title
the title is "The shield around the K"
Running time 85 minutes
A Heather Rose Dominic film
Northstar pictures 1999
PO box 8705 new york NY 10116
northstarpictures@hotmail.com
catalog no 8128

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